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  1. #11

    agree ko ani ni @personalmgt:

    Quote Originally Posted by personalmgt View Post
    Wrong.

    If I were older right now lets say 30 years old, I prefer to be a hardcore perl programmer than a sophisticated PHP programmer.

    This has been discussed in slashdot long ago (Slashdot Technology Story | Tech Sector Slow To Hire). Here's a comment that really got me:

    Had a friend who had a long stint of unemployment. A large part of the problem was companies that use recruiters, and have *****s write the job requirements. There were so many jobs that when you filtered through the bullshit, he probably could do. However he'd have to lie about his qualifications to get them, and he won't do that. Shit like "Must have 7 years experience in Ruby, Java, Perl, PHP, and MySQL." Ok so they are looking for a web app and they don't know what they want it in. Fine, he can do that, he's a real programmer in that he can learn new languages. He also has done all those. However he can't truthfully say 7 years of Ruby experience. He's got 15 years of Perl experience, but only 1 of Ruby. Doesn't mean he's bad at Ruby, just that he didn't see the need to use it till recently. However he gets filtered since he doesn't "meet the requirements" and instead they get the liar types who don't know what they are talking about.
    sometimes I wonder why most job posts today would consist of requirements like 5 years C#/WF/WPF... I mean, OK, 5years in C# is understandable, but 5 years also in Workflow, in Windows Presentation Framework? I thought it just started like 2 years ago? [correct me if am wrong with the figures, but I hope you get where am getting at..]

    agree sd ko ani...
    Quote Originally Posted by salbahis View Post
    if programmer ka karong unya programmer ka gihapon ka unya puhon... aw way ayo... para nako im web developer today and web dev and design company owner soon!!!
    d boot pasabot n the whole life nimo programmer k ra sd, we need to aim to the top always, not just for pride n ingon ana n k kagahi but also for financial satisfaction..

  2. #12
    Yes. Most IT companies are nonIT and only care about costs and results. So that's it, its a problem that doesn't occur in hospitals where cheif surgeons and high ranking doctors have to be very experienced doctors.

    With regards to recruitment, I often read that its more important to show that you can adapt and learn new technologies fast than just showing off the number of years of experience. You should also show that the skills you know are transferrable and applicable even to other languages.

    If you're still in IT after several years even if you dont like it, its probably bcoz you had mouths to feed and cannot risk for the life of it to change career. That's the common reason why people work on jobs even if they do not like it. They have responsibilities and mouths to feed.

    Thanks sa mga input guys. Keep em coming.
    Im very new to IT and am always open to opinions. And your opinions will also matter to other people who read this thread.

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    Guys, if you plan to program for the rest of your life, please research about this term "Pragmatic Programmer".

    Actually, about being doctors or experts, there is still a counterpart of sorts in the IT Field. We have at least 1 in every major company. Be an IT Consultant, which requires basic knowledge from Hardware to Software to Connectivity and Business Process. I know that position needs only a few heads to fill but at least we have something to look up to.

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    Red face bad omen

    tsk tsk tsk .

    kafaetz

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klave View Post
    Guys, if you plan to program for the rest of your life, please research about this term "Pragmatic Programmer".

    Actually, about being doctors or experts, there is still a counterpart of sorts in the IT Field. We have at least 1 in every major company. Be an IT Consultant, which requires basic knowledge from Hardware to Software to Connectivity and Business Process. I know that position needs only a few heads to fill but at least we have something to look up to.
    nice input bai..thanks.. =]

  6. #16
    di madala kanang jack of all trades sa programming makalabad nas ulo hehehehe

  7. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by cebubinary View Post
    you need to be jack of all trades para dili ka ma biyaan.

    lagi ana gyud.pero sahay kapoy

    pero nindot pod ni sya kay dili lang ka permi sa usa ka language...

    and mas wider pod ang imogn range... daghan clients..

  8. #18
    The language is not important, it's the algorithm you design which counts.

    Pag-highschool ky VB ko, then college Java, first 3 months of work kay C++, and now C#...you really have to overcome the most common problem programmers face, programming myopia...

  9. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by softtouch View Post
    If you are older, and still need to program to make some money, then you would have better learned to bake bread
    If you are good in young age, you wont need to program anymore when you are older
    +100 ko ane! tinuod kaayo neh
    di mn twn na pang long term an programming oi.
    ako programmer ko pro wla koy plano maniguwang mag duk2x og keyboard oi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by romano2717 View Post
    +100 ko ane! tinuod kaayo neh
    di mn twn na pang long term an programming oi.
    ako programmer ko pro wla koy plano maniguwang mag duk2x og keyboard oi.
    just like what ive stated earlier.... aim higher.... di man sad madala.... nga dugay natas tonaan takla lang gihapon... diba...

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